Hah, yeah. I think the end of the comic, where they treated Cerise with kindness, shows that Curly doesn't mean "never forgive ever" - rather, she understands that some things just aren't worth forgiving.
It was a bittersweet comic. That final hug ;O; Well, maybe there will be other nights of mischief in their future.
Though they sink through the sea, they shall rise again. Because they are skeletons.
Sebastian-Ummm that's exactly what Deek just said . Some things are worth forgiving some aren't. Like the nazis or killing of thousands of native Americans. It's easier to forgive from an outsiders perspective too, I think Jack was pretty emotionally damaged by his first crush turning on him like that.
Well Karl may prove me wrong but he hasn't so far. It's not a single case of cowardice, when it's habitual that's an issue. It's up to Karl to get past it but as someone hurt by it before you can surely see why Jack would be wary.
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Sebastian- All true facts. Still Karl seems like a huge push over at work and in life in general. The relationships you have in your formative years are the ones which tend to stick with you, you'll find. Also that's Curly saying that, Jack is still going to give him another go. We can't deny Karl's better qualities.
Post by Thy Dungyeon Maestyr on Nov 3, 2015 3:04:09 GMT -8
"Being a Nazi is not comparable to saying some shitty things as a high schooler. That's just not a reasonable comparison."
"her advice be extreme" (followed by scale of things indicating potential range of topic rather than saying every such situation is equivalent)
to not accept someone's apology for it...I mean, why not?
That's another aspect of the problem of forgiveness being overrated in our culture - the presumption apologies must be accepted or else it's a moral failing on the part of the aggrieved, like everyone has to be jesus or they done fucked up. This wouldn't be something that needs to be said, if it wasn't for the fact people really are told, every day, that they are bad for not accepting apologies from the person that child-molested them or whatevs. Again, not that that is remotely equivalent to a closeted teen weenie being a weenie in his teens. But accepting apologies should always be regarded as optional and we treat it as a mandate in western culture, to the point of really abusing children with it - u gotta accept the forced contrition of a playground bully or you will be in trouble.
The position she's taking is extreme to the point of being silly, but when people comment like "Malady" on the comic:
"Never forgive? How depressing, and a philosophy certain to render one forever alone."
-To me that seems silly in the other direction. Yes, we will all mess up with each other in life, but to be compelled to accept all apologies is to be forced to live without self-respect. Which is a situation people are really put in, and that's kinda jacked up.
I guess in voicing this idea, I was setting myself up for the false dichotomy Malady ran with - you must have forgiveness or be 5eva alone. The truth is of course somewhere in the middle. Gotta forgive sometimes, but it's definitely not a moral failing to be ungraciously aggrieved.
All of that is ridiculously heavy for something that started as a total throwaway line and just blossomed into a weird character's shithouse oracle stylez. The secret origin of her philosophy: I once did a quicky sketch of karl & jack as the lovers tarot, and the image of curly was mixed in the clouds saying "never forgiiiive" like a ghost - which was commemorated in the comic in this panel:
Really surprised that struck a bad chord for anyone, let alone 2 people that we know of. Life is funny like that - u never know what a random joke will yield.
Post by Thy Dungyeon Maestyr on Nov 3, 2015 16:17:30 GMT -8
sebastian- indeedy do. Hey, does anyone wanna see a video of some people on public access trying to auction art for a fundraising thing and several of the pieces are furry erotica of rat people about to fuck, and they have to try to describe what they're showing? That's a thing.